Abstract
Patient reported outcomes have become validated objective measures of success in research studies. They take time and effort to develop and administer. However, to remain relevant and universal PROMS should be gathered routinely and used to manage evidence-based change in healthcare systems. To ensure that they are adopted individual clinician involvement is key however a framework for comparison and relevance promotes engagement. Several examples will be presented of system change using PROMS and PREMS as well as using routine data to defend patient selection. How and what we present depends on whom we are expecting to influence.